We’re pleased to announce a new addition to the Jungle Disk family – Jungle Disk Server Edition. While Jungle Disk was originally designed for desktop usage, a few intrepid users started using it for server backups as well. However the Desktop Edition’s limitations, including a local management GUI, a 5GB max file size, and a single upload connection make it ill suited for serious server backups. We received strong feedback from users who’d like to see a more robust server backup solution, so we decided to develop a new product to help make server backups amazingly fast, easy, and inexpensive.
The Jungle Disk Server Edition builds on the core online storage technology of Jungle Disk with an entirely new Backup Engine designed from the ground up for handling large, complex backup jobs. The Server Edition is also designed to be managed completely remotely once installed, allowing administrators to easily manage multiple servers from their desktop. Storage efficiency is critical for large server backups, so the Server Edition includes block-level data de-duplication within and across multiple files and versions of files as well as compression for all data. To give you an idea of how much savings this can provide, for our internal database backups we keep 60 days of backups, a total of 210GB of data. With the Jungle Disk Server Edition this has been cut to only 21GB, a savings of 90%! Our nightly backup time went from 30 minutes to just 6.
A full list of the features for the first release of the Server Edition is below:
- Provides automatic, online backup for Windows and Linux servers
- Full remote management GUI for Windows, Mac, and Linux clients
- An entirely new, highly efficient backup engine designed for server backups
- Block-level de-duplication across an entire server’s backup set, including previous versions
- Compression for all backup data
- No maximum file or backup set size
- Optimized backup for large directories and small files
- Block-level incremental backups means that data already backed up is never transferred again
- Support for multiple backup jobs with their own schedule, file set, and retention policy
- Full support for backing up and restoring extended filesystem information:
- Windows and Linux security attributes and ACLs
- Junction points, symlinks, hardlinks, and device nodes
- Alternate data streams, xattrs, and directory metadata
- Multiple simultaneous uploads, for high bandwidth server connections
- Robust AES-256 encryption with a user-controlled key
- Backup status and error reporting via desktop management client, web, e-mail, and RSS
- Supports multiple cloud providers – Amazon S3 and Rackspace Cloud Files
We’re in the final stages of internal testing for the Server Edition right now and a free public beta will be available tomorrow. We haven’t finalized the pricing for the final release yet, but we expect it to be around $5 per machine per month. As with the desktop versions of Jungle Disk, we’re not marking up the cloud storage price at all – only $0.15 per GB, a huge savings compared to other server oriented online backup services, and an even better value when you consider the amazing space savings the new backup engine provides.
Finally, I know many of you have been waiting for more news on Jungle Disk 3.0, and we’ll have more information on that release later this week. One tidbit to share – many of the improved backup features we built for the Server Edition will be making their way into the Desktop and Workgroup Editions as well. Keep an eye on our blog for more information on the 3.0 release soon!
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Evert said,
October 5, 2009 @ 9:52 am
I can hardly wait to try that product. It almost sounds too good to be true! But so did the desktop edition, and that one works like a charm!
Olivier said,
October 5, 2009 @ 11:16 am
Is FreeBSD supported?
I really hope 3.0 will introduce syncing abilities. It’s sorely missing from an otherwise very useful product.
Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 11:24 am
Interesting, is this replacing the WHS addin? I hope not!!
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 11:30 am
@Dave – no, this is not the WHS replacement we’ve mentioned earlier, but that product will be based on this tech!
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 11:31 am
@Olivier – not in the first release, but we’ll certainly look at adding it (and other Unixen) if there is demand. It *may* run in the Linux compatibility environment though.
James said,
October 5, 2009 @ 11:33 am
Sounds excellent — looking forward to seeing the beta. Being able to manage the server setting via a web browser would be a great benefit and it would be great if the Desktop edition could restore files from a server backup.
sbw said,
October 5, 2009 @ 11:44 am
I’m also interested in FreeBSD support.
DanITman said,
October 5, 2009 @ 11:47 am
Will there be an upgrade path for those of us that are currently using it on a Server? Why the additional monthly charge and not a one time fee for the new program?
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 12:02 pm
@Dan – because the backups are stored in a different format, you’ll need to re-upload with the server edition. On the pricing, there were really two options – a traditional business software model with a big upfront price plus yearly maintenance fees, or the SaaS model, which gives you a simple flat monthly rate and includes upgrades and support. While there are pros and cons to both, we like the simplicity and low barriers to entry of the SaaS model, and also feel it’s a good compliment to the pay-as-you-go cloud pricing model.
DanITman said,
October 5, 2009 @ 12:09 pm
You also mention no file size limitations. We face this now with our Exchange files. We have to split them up with a batch processes so we can get them to upload. I’m assuming the same will be done automatically with JungleDisk Server addition? Can you elaborate more on this?
Matt Jacob said,
October 5, 2009 @ 12:14 pm
What kind of dependencies will there be for the Linux version? Is the binary mostly self-contained, or does it require a bunch of external libs to be installed? I’d like to use this product on my Linux-based NAS appliance, but the environment is pretty stripped down.
shigadeyo said,
October 5, 2009 @ 12:51 pm
Will those of us with “Desktop Edition – Lifetime” licesnes still be able to use it on a server OS?
Robert Kosara said,
October 5, 2009 @ 12:58 pm
Sounds great! Now I realize that you guys have to make a living and everything, but is there a chance to get a cheaper version for small servers? Maybe $3 per month with some kind of cap on the size of the backup set? That would be great for people who run small non-commercial sites, and who could still use all those new features.
Pat O. said,
October 5, 2009 @ 1:01 pm
Sounds great!! I am very excited about this and hope that I will be able to take advantage of it for my clients. Does the new release have support for granular backup of Exchange?
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 1:03 pm
@shigadeyo – we’re not planning on placing artificial restrictions on the operating systems you can run Desktop on at this time, although there are going to be features that are only in the Server Edition
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 1:04 pm
@Pat – right now it’s file-level, we’re looking into application-specific backup support for sub-file-level backup/restore in the future.
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 1:05 pm
@Dan – the splitting of large files is seamless and completely taken care of by the Server Edition (and also far more efficient)
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 1:06 pm
@Matt – we statically link pretty much everything so it should run on almost any x86/x64 linux box, as long as the libc isn’t too ancient
Joachim said,
October 5, 2009 @ 1:10 pm
One feature I am desperately missing especially for a server backup product is the support for hard links. Is this something that is already supported or planed for the near future? If not, is there a reason, why hard links are not supported?
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 2:02 pm
@Joachim – “Junction points, symlinks, hardlinks, and device nodes” – are all supported
Khürt Williams said,
October 5, 2009 @ 2:14 pm
I expect this to be a well received service. I see there was no mention of support for OS X servers. Is your strategy to hit the largest markets and then eventually OS X?
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 2:24 pm
@Khurt – as with BSD and other Unixes, we’ll just need to see if there is sufficient demand for OSX Server.
Vinny Perez said,
October 5, 2009 @ 3:14 pm
Sounds great! Any chance this is a precursor to something that can run natively as a add-in for the ReadyNAS?? (Hoping!!)
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 3:45 pm
@Vinny – the product we’re planning for NAS devices is based on the same tech, just scaled down to run on those devices
Vinny Perez said,
October 5, 2009 @ 4:06 pm
Thanks Dave – any timeframe? (weeks / months / years ….)
Mark Imbriaco said,
October 5, 2009 @ 4:34 pm
Does the new Jungle Disk for servers allow you to talk to Cloud Files over the Rackspace Services network if you have servers hosted in DFW with access to that network?
Greg said,
October 5, 2009 @ 5:09 pm
Are you planning an OS X Server version?
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 5:09 pm
@Vinny – not firm, but hopefully within the next few months
@Mark – Not in the first beta, but that is slated to go in before final release
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 5:13 pm
@Greg – as with BSD and other Unixes, we’ll just need to see if there is sufficient demand for OSX Server.
Michael said,
October 5, 2009 @ 6:06 pm
Mac OS X Server version please…
James Collins said,
October 5, 2009 @ 7:10 pm
Sounds great guys!
Looking forward to trying it out.
Manuel said,
October 5, 2009 @ 7:25 pm
Excelent Idea!
Bill said,
October 5, 2009 @ 7:35 pm
Do differential backups work with exchange databases or will the database be uploaded each time? I know a lot of backup programs that have issues with binary diff backups of exchange db’s. They think that the whole file was changed even when it has not.
Additionally, granular backup support for exchange server, for which I understand to allow for the recovery of individual mailboxes, as opposed to the whole database, would be a great feature to add. If my understanding of granular backup is not correct please do correct me.
Thanks,
b2dac
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 7:38 pm
@Bill – we’ll only backup the changed portions of the exchange database, not the whole file. We don’t have a granular restore ability yet, but it’s something we’re looking at for future releases.
Bill said,
October 5, 2009 @ 7:43 pm
Thanks for answering my question. That’s great news.
One more question:
Will block-level data de-duplication work on exchange databases? For instance if ten people receive the same email will your program only store on copy of the email? Thanks
Bill said,
October 5, 2009 @ 7:48 pm
typo:
*one copy of the email?
Jungle Dave said,
October 5, 2009 @ 9:34 pm
@Bill – yes, although I think Exchange does some of that internally as well.
Tom said,
October 6, 2009 @ 8:04 am
Will you be releasing open source code to access the S3 data directly in the new format? (i.e. like you do currently for the 2.x releases)
Tracy Boyd said,
October 6, 2009 @ 10:47 am
I cannot find any information on your site on how to try out the beta or at least investigate it. There are no links within the blog anywhere nor on your home page discussing it. Can you post that? Thanks!
Peter said,
October 6, 2009 @ 10:49 am
@Bill and JD – Exchange dropped support for single instance storage a few versions ago. It was complex to maintain internally and with disk space so cheap they gave it up.
Looking forward to this. I tried to run JungleDisk on my servers but ran into too many problems and gave up. This is very exciting news.
Do you also support online backups of MS SQL databases?
Jungle Dave said,
October 6, 2009 @ 10:57 am
@Tracy – the beta will be out later today.
Jungle Dave said,
October 6, 2009 @ 10:58 am
@Tom – yes, we’re planning on doing that, but don’t have it for the first beta release.
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LSL said,
October 6, 2009 @ 1:00 pm
Will there be a one-time life-time purchase of the server software rather than the monthly fee? We use our own Amazon/S3 account with JungleDisk desktop that we purchased the life-time edition.
Jungle Dave said,
October 6, 2009 @ 1:24 pm
@LSL, as I mentioned earlier on the pricing, there were really two options – a traditional business software model with a big upfront price plus yearly maintenance fees, or the SaaS model, which gives you a simple flat monthly rate and includes upgrades and support. While there are pros and cons to both, we like the simplicity and low barriers to entry of the SaaS model, and also feel it’s a good compliment to the pay-as-you-go cloud pricing model.
We don’t think it’s a good idea to offer business software without support and upgrades, and it isn’t practical to offer lifetime support for a one time purchase price.
Sean said,
October 6, 2009 @ 2:18 pm
What about support for VMware? Any plans in the near futture?
Jungle Dave said,
October 6, 2009 @ 2:25 pm
Jungle Disk backup works great inside vmware images. Direct backup of the images from ESX itself is something that we’re considering for a future release.
Prince Humayun said,
October 6, 2009 @ 2:54 pm
I was wondering when will the reseller version of Server Edition be available?
Jungle Dave said,
October 6, 2009 @ 3:04 pm
It will be available around the time of the final release.
Jason said,
October 6, 2009 @ 4:46 pm
How many simultaneous upload streams is everyone using with the new server edition beta? am a home user with 19 Mbps upstream. Didn’t know whether there was a benefit to enabling 1, 2, 3…?
Jungle Dave said,
October 6, 2009 @ 4:58 pm
@Jason – try it out and see if there is any difference. It really depends on your latency and other factors as to how many are required to max out your connection.
Greg M. Smith said,
October 6, 2009 @ 5:11 pm
Another vote for an OS X server version as well…
Peter said,
October 6, 2009 @ 6:06 pm
@Jason – I don’t know if JungleDisk works similarly to an FTP server, but I’ve found that when uploading to an FTP servers that can max out my connection it doesn’t make any difference.
I have 5 Mb upload so if I have one stream it uploads at 5, 2 streams they both upload at 2.5, etc… There is no difference in the overall speed or length of time the upload takes.
none said,
October 7, 2009 @ 4:31 am
@Olivier:
Have you tried to use Linux emulation layer on FreeBSD?
Andy said,
October 7, 2009 @ 6:17 am
I installed the server tar onto my Media Temple server last night. Everything went well and the Mac OS X client is functioning (albeit a little sluggishly), which I guess one is to expect having to communicate back and forth.
First backup ran in the middle of the night and the logs say it worked. However, the conventional JD disk mapping doesn’t show anything on the disc, nor does viewing JD online – so I guess what I am trying to say – do I just take the log files word that it’s there?
Also, just to help me conceptually – I wish to take a nightly backup of the full server image (or rather anything that’s changed). I also want to take a regular backup of MySQL backups and the vhosts. Should I create a seperate Online Disk for each, or one online disc and multiple backup shedules within the disc – which is the correct approach?
Great work guys – just hope getting used to it the price isn’t crippling.
Jungle Dave said,
October 7, 2009 @ 10:13 am
@Andy – as mentioned in the release notes, you need to use the Server Edition Restore dialog to restore the files, they won’t show up on the network drive. The Desktop 3.0 release will be able to restore them if you want to restore back to your desktop however. Just hit Restore and you can see what’s backed up right now.
On your second question, a single disk with multiple backup jobs is probably the best option.
Andy said,
October 7, 2009 @ 6:17 pm
Great. Thanks Dave.
Run several scheduled backups now and everything has worked perfectly using Mac OS X console on MediaTemple DV Server.
Love it!
Alex said,
October 12, 2009 @ 6:31 am
The last week is over but no information about jd desktop edition 3.0 came out… i am really looking forward – and awaiting the must-have syncing feature. When will there be more news about JD Desktop 3.0?
Jungle Dave said,
October 12, 2009 @ 9:01 am
Very soon!
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Mr. O said,
October 15, 2009 @ 10:53 am
Fantastic! We have been evaluating camps wide cloud backup solutions, and this puts Jungle Disk at the front of the pack. One of Jungle Disk’s greatest strengths in my opinion is it cross platform support. Consider this another vote for an OS X server version. You have some talented developers working there, keep up the great work.
Jungle Dave said,
October 15, 2009 @ 2:11 pm
@Mr O – how many OSX servers do you have?
Slug said,
October 16, 2009 @ 6:20 am
Great having support for M$ & Linux servers! Don’t bother with the OSX server fanboys realistically they are the minority and the mac client will be enough to keep the apple fanboys happy.
Looking forward to support for mysql and exchange databases
Jim said,
October 16, 2009 @ 8:10 am
Please, PLEASE include Windows security attributes in the desktop edition. I would really like to manage which Windows users on my machine can and cannot access my Jungle Disk Network Drive. Also, my uncle is using Jungle Disk as well. I told him about it, he liked the idea, tried it, and now loves it: with one exception: Windows user security. He has two kids who each have their own Windows user account and he does not want them thinking the drive is something to download a bunch of files to and waste bandwidth and run up the usage on his account. He wants a way to allow his user full access to the drive and limit their users to read-only (like NTFS security settings). This looks to be a nice release in any event, great job JD!
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Jungle Dave said,
October 19, 2009 @ 10:00 am
@Tom – yes, that’s something we are planning.
Mr. O said,
October 19, 2009 @ 10:29 am
@Jungle Dave 15 OS X Servers right now.
Kyle Alons said,
October 20, 2009 @ 2:08 pm
You indicated a 90% space savings with de-duplication and compression. Is that a realistic expectation in general, or what is the typical amount of savings others are experiencing? I have nearly 200 GB of stuff to backup and found JD+Amazon too expensive to justify in the past, so I’ve been using Mozy. It’s hard to justify spending more than $5/mo compared to that, and a 90% savings would be close ($2/mo for JD+ and $3/mo for Rackspace storage of 20GB). Thanks.
Jungle Dave said,
October 20, 2009 @ 2:18 pm
@Kyle – it really depends on what you’re backing up. If you have 200GB of pictures (with no duplication) then you won’t be saving much. If you’re backing up databases, mail servers, or file servers then the de-duplication and compression should have a significant benefit.
Kyle Alons said,
October 20, 2009 @ 3:41 pm
I see. Then it probably won’t be as dramatic for me — I’m backing up lots of pictures, home videos, and virtual machine images.
On a related note, are Rackspace or Amazon ever going to reduce their prices? Storage keeps getting cheaper and cheaper, but they’re rates haven’t unchanged in quite some time.
Stephen said,
October 20, 2009 @ 3:46 pm
I’ll vote for a Mac OS Server version as well.
Simon Hebditch said,
October 22, 2009 @ 6:24 am
This sounds amazing, when is it going to be available?? I have so many clients who I would love to sell this to….. Do you have any kind of referral/partner program?
Jungle Dave said,
October 22, 2009 @ 9:54 am
Simon – the beta is available now. We do have a reseller program which will include the Server Edition in the future.
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Evert said,
July 29, 2010 @ 11:54 am
What is the status on MS SQL support?